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= Attendees =
* Mark Mansour
* Brian Suda
* Kevin Marks
* Ryan King

= Source =
The [http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-02-25 hcalendar irc meetup on 20060225] attempted to solve the [http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues issues listed on 2006-02-17].

= hCalendar tests =
The LifeLint hCalendar tests are to be donated to microformats.org.  [[RyanKing]] will move these over to a subversion server at microformats.org.  No time was given for when these tests would be available at microformats.org.

= The worth of a vcalendar class =
* vcalendar class allows multiple calendars to appear on the one web page
** this is not being done in the wild
* vcalendar class allows items to be added to a calendar object
** there are four properties on a calendar which are PRODID, VERSION, METHOD, CALSCALE.  VERSION is always 2.0 and does not look likely to change.  PRODID tells us who made the calendar, but if it gets transformed a new PRODID will be added - i.e. it gets overridden.  CALSCALE value is GREGORIAN as is the whole ical spec - there would have to be massive changes for this to be a different value.  The METHOD property is disucced in more detail in [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2446.txt iTIP] and defines the possible values.  It appears that calendar user agents ignore this anyway.  NOTE: If producing an ICS for consumption by Outlook, then the METHOD property must be set.  

Therefore:
* the vcalendar class is not needed and it can be assumed that if a vevent is found on a page, then it is part of a hCalendar.
* when producing ICS files, the METHOD property on the VCALENDAR should be set to PUBLISH.
** The PUBLISH value seems to be the most suitable value as it works for all component types and posting information to a web page is equivalent to publishing a calendar.

= Axis/Header layout of calendar data =
* There are no examples in the wild.  [[RyanKing]] and [http://suda.co.uk/ Brian Suda] have examples which they are going to make public.

''Correction (later): there is an example in the wild: http://we05.com/program.cfm'' --[[User:RyanKing|RyanKing]] 12:08, 27 Feb 2006 (PST)

= Components =
* The components defined by ical are VEVENT, VTODO, VALARM, VFREEBUSY, VJOURNAL and VTIMEZONE.  
* There are two places that components can exist, either as "components" or "subcomponents"
** components live directly inside a calendar -> VEVENT, VTODO, VFREEBUSY, VJOURNAL and VTIMEZONE
*** VTIMEZONE has been removed from ical-basic draft 04 so should probably be removed from hCalendar
*** the value of VJOURNAL has been questioned by [[RyanKing]] since since hAtom probably serves the same purpose.
*** VEVENT are currently allowed and are used in the wild
*** VALARMs may not appear at the same level as events (line 2864 of ical)
*** need to work out if VTODO, VFREEBUSY are worth having.
** subcomponents live within other components -> VALARM
*** VALARMs must be nested inside VEVENTs or VTODOs. (line 3912 of ical)
*** hCalendar does not support these at the moment

Followup:
* find VTODOs, VFREEBUSYs and VALARMs in the wild

= Fragments =
* As both [[RyanKing]] and [http://suda.co.uk/ Brian Suda] point out, the [http://svn.lifelint.com/hcalendar_tests/calendar-fragment.xml fragment hCalendar test] are wrong because:
** The [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_8 XHTML spec] defines fragments to use the id attribute and the test was using the name attribute
** The child elements of a fragment should be inspected to determine values.

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